Leave Campaign still peddling £350 million lie.

Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA

Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA

I’ve never seen so much dough in all my life.

But never forget – no matter how much dough they have here, it’s nothing like the dough we are sending to Brussels every day: £50 quids worth, £350m a week over which we have no control.

These biscuits are an example of British dough that is well controlled.

They know what’s going to happen to these biscuits …

This is a company that is in total control of its dough. They know it to the ounce how much they use. We have lost control of our dough.

 

The Guardian – 2nd June 2016

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Don’t buy the “Pig in the Poke” being sold by the Leavers in the EU Referendum campaign

Boris Johnson auctioning a "pig in the poke" to the UK voters

Boris Johnson auctioning a “pig in the poke” to the UK voters

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I urge the British voter not to fall into this Brexit trap – TTIP

By John Tilt, a member of one of the SY2E – Remain in the EU groups.

The EU is far LESS likely to accept a TTIP agreement than an isolated UK would. An exiting UK would have little choice other than to accept the TTIP, since it would be desperate for alternative markets: After a shock announcement that the vote had gone to the dreaded Brexit – the Pound Sterling and British shares are going to crash on the world markets.

The loss of international confidence in Britain, before it enters the EEA and re-hashes thousands of industrial trade deals – each of which take an average of 28 months – will send the British economy into the mother of all recessions.

Since David Cameron has already declared his backing of a TTIP deal, an exiting UK would not be empowered to do anything other than accept TTIP – and to do so on the USA’s terms. We will therefore enter TTIP.

Europe on the other hand is a different case. The Germans for example, with their ancient purity laws – are completely anti-GMO foods – and several other EU member nations will also vote against TTIP. Europe does not need the TTIP, whereas Britain will. This also goes to show that the EU is actually MORE Democratic than the UK alone.

I urge the British voter not to fall into this Brexit trap. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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The real value of the EU and why we need to Remain IN.

By Tom Lynch a member of one of the SY2E – Remain in the EU groups.

I keep seeing ‘Leave’ posters, showing images of Wartime aircraft, Churchill and so on.

Seems some people are happier living in 1945 than the present.

Another year they really hate is 1973, the year we joined the EC.

Remember what Europe was like in 1973? Spain and Portugal were right-wing dictatorships, Greece was run by a junta of colonels, and Poland and the Baltic states were controlled from Moscow.

Now they’re all EU member states. The EU has transformed life for all these European neighbours, and I’m proud that the UK has played its part, with funds and expertise.

Europe is more stable and prosperous than at any time in its long history, and old enemies are now friends; British and German sailors jointly commemorated the anniversary of the Battle of Jutland just yesterday.

The EU’s not perfect, but it has created the best cooperation on our continent, ever!

So the real choice is – stay and help improve it, or walk away into an uncertain future, for ourselves and our continent.

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This man knows the difference between an acceptable risk and an unacceptable risk.

This man knows about Risk.

This man knows about Risk.

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If we throw away the efforts of the past 40 years what are the Leavers going to replace it with?

My grandparents told that if something was broken you fixed it.

My grandparents told me that if something was broken you fixed it.

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Surely the Leave campaign have a rational, costed plan for what happens post-Brexit

Not only do the Quitters want the Remain campaigners to argue both sides of the case, they also want guarantees from the Government about what will happen in the event of a Brexit.

But the Quitters must have a plan for what happens if they win, mustn’t they?

Don’t tell me that Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Dominic Cummings, Bill Cash, John Redwood, Kate Hoey et al are REALLY campaigning to get the UK out of the EU WITHOUT a plan for what happens in the event of a Brexit.

If the Quitters were to manage to “Take Control”, wouldn’t a sensible option be for the Government to resign and for the Quitters to form a government and DELIVER on their assertions?

A cabinet of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Iain Duncan Smith, Liam Fox,  John Redwood, Priti Patel, Kate Hoey backed up by Daniel Hannah, Dominic Cummings, Nigel Farage, Douglas Carslake etc plus the likes of Arron Banks running the UK and delivering on the ASSERTIONS of the Quitters and all the time guaranteeing that we will be better off.

Sorry, I had my tongue so far in my cheek I almost bit it off.

Why ask a Prime Minister who is clearly in favour of the UK Remaining in the EU to set out a plan for what happens in the unlikely event that the Quitters win?

Isn’t a post-Brexit plan what the Quitters are supposed to be setting out?

And that is the problem.

The Quitters have no alternative to offer, they just have the arguments based on personal advancement, prejudice and vague assertions that the UK (they) will be better off if the UK leaves the EU.

So what do they do? They insist that the Remainers should argue both sides of the case, and that any attempt to point out the flaws in their (the Quitters’) argument is “scaremongering”.

When they can’t respond sensibly to fact-based opinions, they accuse people of bias, self-interest, being bribed by the EU – anything but face up to the questions asked.

They shout the ad-hominem arguments as loudly as possible to distract us AND themselves from the paucity of their case.

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Boris Johnson does it again: Apples, Oranges, and what was it we were talking about again?

Boris has put his foot in his mouth again, unfortunately it’s likely nobody will notice. his latest article in the Telegraph (29th May) compares apples with oranges, misleads, deceives and spends most of its time discussing something which has nothing to do with the title.

We will skip the fact that comparing 1st world economies with 3rd world economies is misleading, we will skip the fact that the riots in France have nothing to do with austerity, and much, much more.

We will skip straight to the good bit, immigration. Dear ol’ Mr Johnson is banging on about the “unrestricted flood of immigrants” that Leave always goes on about.

Leave have said that millions upon millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would flood into the country, where are they?

Pritti Patel has said that she will increase immigration from the Commonwealth post-Brexit, some Leavers are even talking about freedom of movement from the Commonwealth.  So they’re going to replace one set of immigrants with another?

Leave have said 7 million Turks will come to the UK, the Turkish Passport office has only issued 7 million passports, each and every one of those passport holders are going to come to the UK?

Speaking of immigrants did you know Poland wants its emigrants back to fill vacant jobs created by it’s booming economy? So much for “a graveyard of low growth”.

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EU Referendum. Remember what we are voting on – not a UK government but the future of the UK.

By Leon Duveen a member of one of the SY2E – Remain in the EU groups and originally posted in his blog  Why we need to remain in the EU
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In a few weeks we are being asked to vote on whether we should remain in the EU or leave it.

For those who have yet to make up their minds, can I remind them that this vote is not on David Cameron & how he is performing as PM, it is not a vote on the Tory party’s record in power, it isn’t even a vote on Cameron renegotiation of our terms on membership and it certainly isn’t a vote on if we should have joined the Common Market in 1973.  All these issues are irrelevant in the Referendum

What we are voting on is the future of the UK, the future not just of those like me who have lived most of our lives but the future of our children & grandchildren.  What sort of country do we want them to grow up in?  Is that future better if we stay in the EU or not?

Do we want a future that gives generations to come a life full of opportunity to study, work & live anywhere in Europe?    A future where working & cooperating with people from Croatia, from Finland, from Portugal is not unusual but the norm.  A future where we work with our neighbours to combat the cross-border threats that we all face, pollution, terrorism, crime, people smuggling.  A future where our rights as workers, as consumers, as travellers are protected and expanded.  A future where we are stronger together.

Or do we want to a future as a diminishing county, isolated from but dominated by a Europe that will imposes decisions on us but we have no say in.  a future where our rights are chipped away as the “Brussels Red Tape” that guarantees them is done away with, a future where jobs and opportunities are lost as the foreign investment we have enjoyed because we are in the EU dries up, a future where the Press Barons & hedge fund managers that have backed Brexit tell the UK Government what to do, a future where public services like the NHS are run down as the country, with an contracting economy, can no longer afford to pay for them (or indeed where the sameHedge Fund managers stand to gain millions in the event of Brexit), a future where we are divided and weaker.

Those who are proposing we leave the EU do not seem to have an idea what will happen after a vote for Brexit.  Some claim we can continue to be in the Single Market but not have to accept the Free of Movement of labour, an idea that has been roundly discredited by experts.  Some seem to think that in the event of Brexit, the remaining nations in the EU will roll over and agree to whatever terms the UK demands in subsequent negotiations on a trade agreement between the EU & the UK, again, an idea that does not seem to have any basis in the views of those countries who will still be in the EU.

The EU is not perfect, then again neither is the UK Government, and needs to carry on reforming just as it has through it existence.   20 years ago, the directly elected European Parliament (EP) was little more than a talking shop, now it is one of the three equal parts of EU decision making.  In 2014, after the most recent elections, it played a crucial role in deciding who would be the President of the European Commission,  where the nominee of the largest group in the EP was appointed over the objection of some individual national Governments.

Of course the EU, especially our directly elected MEPs, needs to do better at engaging people in its work.  Also, like all bureaucracies, it tends to accumulate power and we need to push that power is brought back down, not to equally rapacious national Governments but to regional & local councils throughout the Union

However, the benefits of membership, the cooperation, the investment, the protection of our environment and much much more, all more than outweigh the drawbacks and mean that we stand to lose more than we could gain if we left

So, the choice on June 23rd is that stark, Remain & Gain or Leave & Lose.   I know which way I am voting, I will be voting Remain to protect the future of the generations to come, I hope you will be voting to do the same.

Source: Why we need to remain in the EU

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